Who uses Clubs?

[Wesam]

Anyone use them?

If so what did weight did you start with and why?

If Rick could offer some info, that would be great too.

Regards

[jd]

im about to start, just waiting on an order

im starting with the 6kg clubs. It was recommended to me (by Rick) that i start with 2, 6 & 10. Due to finances i decided to go middle of the road to begin with and take it from there

What really sparked my interest was some of the drills i saw Scott Sonnon using in his MMA programmes - look excellent

For the first time since i ordered my first kettlebell im actually excited about the purchase of a new piece of equipment

[Wesam]

Thanks Jd

Yeh, I'm kinda intrigued and excited to. I've been playing with sledge hammers for the last few months and it has helped tremendously. I do use them in a fairly dynamic 3 dimensional way but thought clubs would be safer and more practically balanced.

My curiousity was piqued even more post Scott Sonnons recent visit.

Might have to buy a couple. Dunno which weight to start with though.

Will probably ask Rick for advice.

Let me know how you go once you have them.

[Paul in Hobart]

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[Wesam]

*Beats chest wildly and puts his woman on his shoulder*

[Acd]

Hi Sam
It depends what your goal is with them.

I use the clubs mainly for RC mobility work with clients .
I rarely need to go past the 6kg Club

However those that want the forearm work 8~10 is the go.
Rick's clubs are quite different then Scots (length, handle size etc) and I heard Rick might be working with Scott next year??? (Rick?)

If we make the mat room happen then I will bring the clubs along and you can have a play.(Have 4 people already; is Sunday mid morning any good for you?)

FYI UTS Gym on Wednesday's 7ish has an Iranian Group going through traditional Club work,shield and wrestling.(Iran is one of the several traditions that Scott took work from) They use the traditonal wood clubs very light but the movement are to a timed rhythm.

Hope thats usefull

Andrew

[Wesam]

Andrew, that info is great! Thank you. Always in the right place at the right time.

I mostly want them for mobility and range.

Sunday morning is great for me.

Thanks bro

[Paul in Hobart]

Andrew , could CBs have anything to offer me? Is this just a kb on a kebab stick?
I have normal ROM at the RC , forearm enduro is fairly good (~ 160 sn with 24kg one hand). Or is this a special tool to help those who want to enhance MA striking patterns?

[imported_Rick]

If so what did weight did you start with and why?


The Power Clubs are mainly used for developing your crushing grip, wrist strength, shoulder strength (throughout extreme ranges) , shoulder mobility and rotational power (esp when you get into the heavy 15 & 20kg clubs).

The lighter ones (2 & 4kg) are best for mobility work, whilst the heavier ones (6,8 & 10) are more grip orientated.

The 15 & 20kg clubs are huge! Single arm work would only be possible for the mutants, so they are generally more suited to two arm rotational swings.

Read more here...........
http://www.kettlebells.com.au/store/Pow ... -c-14.html (http://www.kettlebells.com.au/store/Power-Clubs-p-1-c-14.html)

[Acd]

Paul
Its really just another tool to have in the box.
I don't think clubs address the strength endurance side as well as KBs however for forearm and shoulder work they add a different dimension to training protocols.

[Alex H.]

FYI UTS Gym on Wednesday's 7ish has an Iranian Group going through traditional Club work,shield and wrestling.(Iran is one of the several traditions that Scott took work from) They use the traditonal wood clubs very light but the movement are to a timed rhythm.


What state is that gym in?

Alex.

[Will S]

NSW.

UTS = University of Technology, Sydney

Its a good gym, affordable too.

Actually... I'll be there Monday for a Deadlift session.

[Alex H.]

Thanks, I have some friends up there who'd be very interested in that.

Alex.

[ob]

Hi
Have got some and am playing with them. my thoughts...

Think they are a good adjunct to minimalist kettlebells\bodyweght type training.

Clubs seem to mainly hit the upper body and dont do much for the legs (may be there are some exercise for using them I havent discovered yet). They are lighter than the kbs and the main difference is the torque generated by the length of the club which is great enought to effect arms and upper torso.

However, you can use clubds with body weight exercise (eg lunges or squats) to get more of a whole body effect. Or use Kbells in same workout. Ive also found I can place a kettlebell in the rack position and swing a club around for some exercises (practice with just the club first). Have done this with swipes\front sq, swipes lunges and will experiment with other exercises.
Also good for the grip as hits this at 90 degrees to where they main kbell lifts do. There are various wrist\grip\forearm exercise you can do. Also farmers walk with heavier clubs claw gripped upside down works (too) well.

They are also good for a light workout on active recovery days. Using them for active recovery or mobility a good way to practice the club exercises before working them in to you more strenuous work outs.

Ive also found doing a few swipes and mills in between swings and snatch sets works well, although, be carefull not to weaken you grip to much as you'll end up having to cut the kb swings and snatch volume short of what you intended.

Clubs are longer than kbs and you could possibly club yourelf more easily than with a kb so its worth getting a light set to practice with and learn the moves before trying a little heavier. You can vary the weight a bit by gripping right at the bottom near the knob or up towards the head of the club... good for when you are changing up to the next weight.

They are good for finding "weak links" but be careful you dont regret the intensity of the fatigue in your weak link(s) the next day!!.

OB

[OBe]

These sound very interesting, especially for those of us with RC issues.

I spoke with Rick the other day about this & he's trying to get some of Sonnon's discs in for purchase, but I feel they may be a tad rich for my blood.......I'm stretching to justify $100 for a pair of clubs to SWMBO'd, & 100-150 on some DVD's would be pushing it.....

Does anyone have any other links to workouts with clubs?? I've seen the links Rick has on the Club-page on this site, but was hoping there would be some more elsewhere. Most of the sites relating to clubs thatI've seen are for fairly light-weight ones. I'm looking for what you'd do with 6+kg clubs, as I wouldn't have the faintest at present.

Rick advised a starting weight of 4-6kg, which sounds OK. My dodgy right shoulder needs some work & maybe these can help. KB work & physio has already helped a lot, but I'm always open to new stuff.....

Cheers

OBe

[jd]

if you go to this blog

http://www.rmaxinternational.com/blog/index.php?paged=2

and look on page 1 there are around 20 videos that contain amongst other exercises some good club exercises, in fact throughout the entire blog there are various club exercises, just requires a bit of searching (and if like me you have wireless broadband a lot of time sitting around waiting for vids to download)

i got a pair of 6s off rick a couple of weeks ago. Ive been using them as part of my warm up and they feel good. Its only been two weeks but i have noticed a already difference in shoulder mobility and pain for th better

[OBe]

Outstanding!! Thank you for that.

I'll peruse it thoroughly.

I also found some stuff on the Sandow site which Rick provides the link to, and I have to go over that as well. I usually get more out of the printed word than video, but vids are great for that little bit of clarification.

Cheers

OBe

[myles kenihan]

Paul - you asked if the club was just a kb on a kebab stick?

Funny you should say. Some mob in the U.S. have come up with something called a 'macebell' and it resembles exactly that.

It looks exactly like an all iron version of the old Indian Gada or Okinawan Chishi.

No sh*t the thing has a haft of about 5 foot with a 10 kilo ball on the end.

I can't wait to see this year's Darwin awards.

[Will S]

One of the things that (only slightly) pulls me back from club bells is that i know i'd just walk around hitting things.

http://www.torqueathletic.com/ts1/produ ... rod=MA09-1 (http://www.torqueathletic.com/ts1/products.php?prod=MA09-1)

With a Mace bell, i'd strut the streets as a warlord with a bad temper. They look fun!

Also, just to add, If you ever want to find weird and unusual equipment, Torque Athletic is the place to go.

HAH! Warhammers! http://www.torqueathletic.com/ts1/produ ... rod=MA04-1 (http://www.torqueathletic.com/ts1/products.php?prod=MA04-1)

[macrylinda]

Andrew , could CBs have anything to offer me? Is this just a kb on a kebab stick?
I have normal ROM at the RC , forearm enduro is fairly good (~ 160 sn with 24kg one hand). Or is this a special tool to help those who want to enhance MA striking patterns?

The Power Clubs are mainly used for developing your crushing grip, wrist strength, shoulder strength (throughout extreme ranges) , shoulder mobility and rotational power (esp when you get into the heavy 15 & 20kg clubs).

The lighter ones (2 & 4kg) are best for mobility work, whilst the heavier ones (6,8 & 10) are more grip orientated.

The 15 & 20kg clubs are huge! Single arm work would only be possible for the mutants, so they are generally more suited to two arm rotational swings.